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souvenirs de fils de directeur d\u2019\u00e9cole grandi dans les ann\u00e9es 1950 en banlieue parisienne. Thierry Paquot lance des pistes pour que les cours de r\u00e9cr\u00e9ation et les rues des villes r\u00e9pondent davantage aux besoins des enfants de courir et de jouer, favorisant ainsi leur \u00e9panouissement personnel et leur autonomie sociale.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=\u00a0\u00bb4.15.1&Prime; background_size=\u00a0\u00bbinitial\u00a0\u00bb background_position=\u00a0\u00bbtop_left\u00a0\u00bb background_repeat=\u00a0\u00bbrepeat\u00a0\u00bb module_alignment=\u00a0\u00bbleft\u00a0\u00bb custom_margin=\u00a0\u00bb0px|0px|0px|0px\u00a0\u00bb custom_padding=\u00a0\u00bb50px|50px|30px|50px\u00a0\u00bb z_index_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb500&Prime; text_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb text_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb text_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb link_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb link_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb link_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb ul_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb ul_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb ul_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb ol_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb ol_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb ol_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb quote_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb quote_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb quote_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb header_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb header_2_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_2_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_2_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb header_3_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_3_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_3_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb header_4_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_4_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_4_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb header_5_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_5_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_5_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb header_6_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_6_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb header_6_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb1px\u00a0\u00bb box_shadow_horizontal_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb box_shadow_vertical_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb box_shadow_blur_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb40px\u00a0\u00bb box_shadow_spread_tablet=\u00a0\u00bb0px\u00a0\u00bb global_colors_info=\u00a0\u00bb{}\u00a0\u00bb]<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-16699 alignnone size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/archive.usep.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/020-3-Paquot-portrait-c-Vincent-Lappartient-Terre-Urbaine-255x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"255\" height=\"300\" \/><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Thierry_Paquot\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Thierry Paquot<\/strong><\/a><strong>, en quoi la ville moderne bride-t-elle les enfants\u00a0? Est-ce l\u2019urbanisme qui est en question, ou la tendance contemporaine \u00e0 les surprot\u00e9ger\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Les deux sont li\u00e9s. L\u2019urbanisme contemporain est fondamentalement pens\u00e9 pour l\u2019automobile, dans l\u2019organisation de l\u2019espace \u2013 le \u00ab\u00a0zonage\u00a0\u00bb \u2013 et l\u2019\u00e9talement urbain et p\u00e9ri-urbain. En plus d\u2019artificialiser l\u2019espace et d\u2019allonger les distances, l\u2019automobile est agressive, violente, et repr\u00e9sente un danger r\u00e9el pour l\u2019enfant. Une ville p\u00e9destre, comme dans les centres anciens des cit\u00e9s historiques, accorde en revanche davantage de place \u00e0 l\u2019enfant car il s\u2019oppose \u00e0 la supr\u00e9matie de l\u2019automobile.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Observez-vous n\u00e9anmoins une \u00e9volution avec le d\u00e9veloppement de la pratique du v\u00e9lo en ville\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Oui, et on peut penser que les parents qui p\u00e9dalent avec leurs enfants sur leur v\u00e9lo ou \u00e0 leurs c\u00f4t\u00e9s les laisseront plus facilement circuler seuls demain. Cycliste banlieusard \u00e0 Choisy-le-Roi (Val-de-Marne), je l\u2019ai fait autrefois avec mon fils, tout en me faisant un peu violence. J\u2019\u00e9tais quand m\u00eame inquiet car les pistes cyclables n\u2019existaient pas et le v\u00e9lo \u00e9tait consid\u00e9r\u00e9 comme un ennemi. Cela n\u2019a d\u2019ailleurs gu\u00e8re chang\u00e9 dans ma commune, \u00e0 part l\u2019ouverture de pistes cyclables le long de la Seine.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-16704 alignnone size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/archive.usep.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/020-4-enfants-a-velo-centre-village-1-300x220.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"220\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Votre fils n\u2019a pas non plus connu d\u2019apprentissage du v\u00e9lo dans le cadre scolaire\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Non. Et lorsque la gendarmerie venait \u00e9duquer les \u00e9coliers au code de la route en installant des panneaux dans la cour, le parcours s\u2019effectuait en voiture \u00e0 p\u00e9dales, pour former de futurs automobilistes&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vous vous int\u00e9ressez tout particuli\u00e8rement \u00e0 l\u2019architecture des \u00e9coles et \u00e0 l\u2019espace sp\u00e9cifique de la cour de r\u00e9cr\u00e9ation. \u00c0 quoi ressemblait celle de l\u2019\u00e9cole Jules-Ferry d\u2019Issy-les-Moulineaux, dans les Hauts-de-Seine, o\u00f9 vous \u00e9tiez \u00e9colier\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Les lieux dans lesquels on grandit contribuent \u00e0 construire la personne que l\u2019on devient. Je crois en la topophilie, en l\u2019amiti\u00e9 des lieux, et je propose souvent \u00e0 mes \u00e9tudiants cet exercice consistant \u00e0 faire leur autobiographie environnementale. Il est des lieux hostiles, rev\u00eaches, d\u00e9sagr\u00e9ables, et d\u2019autres qui sont accueillants et apaisants. L\u2019architecture peut \u00e9craser, \u00eatre anxiog\u00e8ne, ou au contraire joyeuse et \u00e9panouissante. L\u2019\u00e9cole de mon enfance \u00e9tait un b\u00e2timent des ann\u00e9es 1950 en b\u00e9ton. Et, malgr\u00e9 son grand pr\u00e9au \u00e9quip\u00e9 comme un gymnase et ses larges baies vitr\u00e9es, elle ressemblait \u00e0 une \u00e9cole-caserne.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vous aviez n\u00e9anmoins un rapport particulier avec elle puisque votre p\u00e8re en \u00e9tait le directeur\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Oui, j\u2019avais la chance de pouvoir la saisir pendant sa vacance, le jeudi ou le soir apr\u00e8s la classe et durant les vacances. Ainsi pouvais-je aussi transgresser la figure d\u2019autorit\u00e9 qu\u2019incarnait mon p\u00e8re, tout en m\u2019accaparant les lieux.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-16702 alignnone size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/archive.usep.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/020-5-cour-ecole-Nantes-300x199.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"199\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Quel regard l\u2019urbaniste porte-t-il sur les \u00e9coles plus modernes qui tendent \u00e0 remplacer les \u00e9coles mod\u00e8le III<sup>e<\/sup> R\u00e9publique\u00a0ou de l\u2019apr\u00e8s-guerre\u00a0? Sont-elles plus propices \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9panouissement corporel des enfants\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Il y a eu une nette am\u00e9lioration. Quand on se d\u00e9tache un peu des normes, perce alors l\u2019inventivit\u00e9 des architectes et des enseignants, lorsqu\u2019ils sont consult\u00e9s. Je participe parfois \u00e0 des jurys d\u2019architecture durable, et il arrive que l\u2019on utilise la paille comme mat\u00e9riau et que la cour soit con\u00e7ue comme un jardin. En effectuant mes recherches pour <em>Pays d\u2019enfance<\/em>, je me suis d\u2019ailleurs aper\u00e7u que cela existait d\u00e9j\u00e0 au 19<sup>e<\/sup> si\u00e8cle, de mani\u00e8re exceptionnelle. La pesanteur institutionnelle et centralisatrice demeure cependant plus forte que les intentions r\u00e9formatrices des enseignants ou de certains \u00e9lus municipaux.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vous \u00e9voquez la tendance visant \u00e0 d\u00e9bitumer les cours d\u2019\u00e9cole pour faire appara\u00eetre la terre et cr\u00e9er des jardins\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ces exemples viennent surtout des pays nordiques, d\u2019Allemagne ou de Suisse. En France, on en reste g\u00e9n\u00e9ralement aux cours rectangulaires goudronn\u00e9es, qui deviennent in\u00e9vitablement des terrains de foot pour les gar\u00e7ons les plus \u00e2g\u00e9s. Le concept de <a href=\"https:\/\/www.caue-idf.fr\/cours-oasis\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u00ab\u00a0cours oasis\u00a0\u00bb<\/a> dont je me moque gentiment va cependant dans le bon sens en prenant en consid\u00e9ration le vivant, v\u00e9g\u00e9tal et animal, avec des jardins et des \u00eelots de calme o\u00f9 les enfants peuvent s\u2019ils le souhaitent <em>\u00ab\u00a0s\u2019isoler, r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir, m\u00e9diter\u00a0\u00bb<\/em>, pour citer Hassan Fathy, le grand architecte \u00e9gyptien du si\u00e8cle dernier, qui professait une architecture bienveillante. Je propose aussi d\u2019inscrire l\u2019\u00e9cole dans la ville comme un b\u00e2timent un peu exceptionnel, en l\u2019ouvrant par exemple sur un parvis arbor\u00e9 et non sur un trottoir \u00e9troit venant buter sur des barri\u00e8res m\u00e9talliques toutes semblables. Je joue aussi sur les mots en disant que l\u2019on s\u2019int\u00e9ressera davantage \u00e0 la \u00ab\u00a0cour\u00a0\u00bb de r\u00e9cr\u00e9ation lorsqu\u2019elle deviendra un \u00ab\u00a0cours\u00a0\u00bb \u00e0 part enti\u00e8re dans les emplois du temps, au m\u00eame titre que les maths ou la g\u00e9ographie.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-16703 alignnone size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/archive.usep.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/020-5-projet-cour-vegetalisee-Quimperle-300x158.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"158\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Le probl\u00e8me n&rsquo;est pas surtout le manque de place\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>S\u00fbrement. Les \u00e9coles les plus innovantes sont souvent situ\u00e9es dans des villes nouvelles o\u00f9 le terrain \u00e9tait bon march\u00e9 et la priorit\u00e9 donn\u00e9e aux \u00e9tablissements scolaires dans la conception des quartiers.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vous citez les travaux et les r\u00e9flexions de tr\u00e8s nombreux urbanistes, penseurs et p\u00e9dagogues. Mais vous, quelle est votre \u00e9cole id\u00e9ale\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>C\u2019est une \u00e9cole qui fait corps avec son quartier et n\u2019est pas un \u00eelot ferm\u00e9, prot\u00e9g\u00e9, vid\u00e9osurveill\u00e9. \u00c0 New York, j\u2019en ai vu o\u00f9 les enfants entraient par un portail de d\u00e9tection des m\u00e9taux. \u00c0 l\u2019inverse, en Suisse et dans certaines villes de province, les enfants arrivent \u00e0 pied ou \u00e0 bicyclette, avec une certaine insouciance car la ville a ralenti et que la rue de leur \u00e9cole est interdite \u00e0 la circulation automobile.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Et une ville pens\u00e9e pour l\u2019enfant, \u00e7a existe\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>La ville de B\u00e2le a men\u00e9 une exp\u00e9rience qui s\u2019appelait \u00ab\u00a0la ville \u00e0 la taille d\u2019enfant\u00a0\u00bb, avec une signal\u00e9tique et des boutons d\u2019ascenseur ou d\u2019arr\u00eat du tramway et des feux rouges situ\u00e9s \u00e0 leur hauteur. Dans <em>La Ville des enfants<sup>1<\/sup><\/em>, l\u2019italien <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Francesco_Tonucci\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Francesco Tonucci<\/a> estime que l\u2019enfant est lui-m\u00eame urbaniste car il a une connaissance r\u00e9elle et sensorielle de la ville. Ainsi voit-il imm\u00e9diatement ce qui ne va pas. Le jour o\u00f9 les maires arpenteront leur ville avec les conseils municipaux des enfants au lieu de leur demander de copier les adultes en si\u00e9geant autour de tables trop hautes pour eux, les choses changeront peut-\u00eatre un peu.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Propos recueillis par Philippe Brenot<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>(1) <em>La Ville des enfants\u00a0: pour une r\u00e9volution urbaine<\/em> (Parenth\u00e8ses, 2019, paru en italien en 1996). Thierry Paquot a pr\u00e9fac\u00e9 l\u2019ouvrage, ainsi que le livre fondateur de l\u2019anglais <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Colin_Ward\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Colin Ward<\/a>, <em>L\u2019enfant dans la ville<\/em> (Eterotopia, 2020, paru en anglais en 1978).<\/p>\n<p><em> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-16700 alignnone size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/archive.usep.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/020-4-couv-livre-jpeg-199x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"199\" height=\"300\" \/><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/terreurbaine.com\/boutique\/pays-de-lenfance\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Pays de l\u2019enfance<\/em>, de Thierry Paquot, Terre Urbaine, coll. 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